Wednesday 12/26/2001 12:29:43am
Name: ashwani
E-Mail: nashk01@yahoo.com
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Comments: great site. would be great to include more info on helicopters use in Kargil operations and the firepower used.
Rate this site: Excellent
Monday 12/24/2001 1:12:59pm
Name: arnab paul
E-Mail: arnab_2683@yahoo.com
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Location: bangalore
Comments: nice site encourage to see the inside out of our IAF
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Friday 12/07/2001 11:15:08am
Name: Joe
E-Mail: jiggy@email.com
Homepage Title: Get $5 FREE at Joe's Site
Homepage URL: http://128.242.74.192/5-dollars.html
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Location: Canada
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Saturday 12/01/2001 1:11:11am
Name: Norm Taylor
E-Mail: normtaylorc47@hotmail.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Friend
Location: Sumter, South Carolina USA
Comments: I am writing a book on the military C-47 and am searching for photos of IAF C-47s, can any one help?? Thanks. Norm Taylor
Rate this site: Excellent
Thursday 11/29/2001 10:50:31am
Name: neha ali
E-Mail: s4shaa@hotmail.com
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Comments: i want some inofrmtaion on women airforce pilots and women aeronautical engrs in IAF
Rate this site: Excellent
Sunday 11/25/2001 4:12:15pm
Name: Ravi
E-Mail: akurathi_ravi@yahoo.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location: India
Comments: 1. there is nothing about kargil operations. Infact, I browsed ur site for this reason.
2. Write the war scenario between india and pak and their latest military balance.
Rate this site: OK
Tuesday 11/20/2001 4:37:43am
Name: vikrant singh chaudhary
E-Mail: chaudharypride@yahoo.com
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Location: ca
Comments: you site is full of ggod imformation keep up with the good work.
HAR HAR MAHADEV
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Tuesday 11/20/2001 4:37:02am
Name: virant singh chaudhary
E-Mail: chaudharypride@yahoo.com
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Location: ca
Comments: you site is full of ggod imformation keep up with the good work.
HAR HAR MAHADEV
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Tuesday 11/13/2001 11:30:29pm
Name: Sqn/Ldr Sarfraz Bhatti
E-Mail: S Bhatti_Jurat@Yahoo.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location: Sargodha
Comments: I am son of Air commodore Imtiaz Bhatti, my father has two kills i 1965 war. Hope that i get four.See you
Rate this site: Excellent
Friday 11/09/2001 1:47:20pm
Name: Prashant Joshi
E-Mail: prashantjoshi87@yahoo.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location: pune
Comments: lovely site.
its nice to see people appreciating my air force .its great to be a part of it!!
Rate this site: Excellent
Thursday 11/08/2001 2:08:07pm
Name: NISHA DE
E-Mail: nisha_de@hotmail.com
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Comments: A VERY BEAUTIFULLY DONE SITE!!
Rate this site: Excellent
Thursday 11/08/2001 10:33:36am
Name: Capt. Kyawt Myaing
E-Mail: mgkyawt@hotmail.com
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Saturday 11/03/2001 3:37:16pm
Name: Kamlakar Patil
E-Mail: patilkam@yahoo.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://kamlakar.netfirms.com
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Location: India
Comments: Dear Friends,

This is very good site which gives comprehensive info about IAF and its operations.

Congrats and keep it up.

Regds
Kamlakar Patil
Rate this site: Excellent
Thursday 10/25/2001 7:08:09pm
Name: bhavna
E-Mail: bhavz_1272@hotmail.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Friend
Location: india
Comments: i jus loved ur site, n guess wat now i wanna get married to an Indian Air force Pilot!!! crazy me!!
Rate this site: Good
Sunday 10/14/2001 2:01:29pm
Name: C.THIRUNAVUKKARASU.
E-Mail: FIRE_BOY_1984@INDYA.COM
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Search Engine
Location: TAMIL NADU \ COIMBATORE
Comments: THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL WEB SITE. WE CAN LEARN AND KNOW MANY THINGS.
Rate this site: Excellent
Tuesday 10/02/2001 6:55:26pm
Name: Mrityunjay Bose
E-Mail: mrityunjaybose@rediffmail.com
Homepage Title: hotmail
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location: mumbai
Comments: i am a journalist working with UNI in Mumbai. Please update me and also let me know if any articles can be used quoting the site
Rate this site: Good
Thursday 09/27/2001 2:06:46pm
Name: sanjay rathi
E-Mail: rathi_sanjay@hotmail.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
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Location: mumbai
Comments: A very very good site !
keep up the good work !
Jai hind !!
Rate this site: Excellent
Thursday 09/27/2001 7:56:47am
Name: Ace
E-Mail:
Homepage Title: Polish WWII Fighter Aces
Homepage URL: http://members.tripod.com/~marcin_w/index-paces.html
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location: Poland
Comments: Interesting site.
Rate this site: Fair
Wednesday 09/26/2001 6:24:33pm
Name: Major General Rahimullah Khan
E-Mail: genrahimullah@hotmail.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location:
Comments: This site is good in crediting Pakistani pilots and I very much appreciate that. If you could please furnish a list of the pilots and aircraft lost by the IAF and in which action I'd be grateful.
Rate this site: Good
Monday 09/10/2001 9:10:11am
Name: Rupen
E-Mail: guess279@yahoo.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
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Location: IL, USA
Comments: Your web site is very good and I was hoping that you would have more pictures of modern aircraft but it still rocks. And I think that Fahad guy is drunk or something. Dude you are on a "wrong" kind of web page.
Rate this site: Excellent
Sunday 09/09/2001 4:30:59am
Name: M.Manzoor Qadir
E-Mail: manzoorqadir2001@yahoo.com
Homepage Title: www.yahoo.com
Homepage URL: http://http/
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location: Jauharabad(KHUSHAB)
Comments: no coments
Rate this site: Fair
Monday 08/27/2001 3:14:55pm
Name: A. Rashid Sajid (Air Cdre. Retd.)
E-Mail: ras3970@cyber.net.pk
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
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Location:
Comments: Good site
Rate this site: Good
Wednesday 08/22/2001 2:43:05pm
Name: Grimmi
E-Mail: sven.zimmermann@suisse.org
Homepage Title: Swiss Air Force (unofficial) News and Pi
Homepage URL: http://fly.to/Grimmi
Referred By: Web Ring
Location: Switzerland
Comments: Hi there,
very nice Site you've got here. Thanks you very much for all those informations. Bye Grimmi
Rate this site: Excellent
Wednesday 08/22/2001 8:35:43am
Name: Minu
E-Mail: autumn5460@aol.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location: Florida,USA
Comments: Looking for old friends but no luck. Am an ex-Airforce wife, had great times and am ever so grateful for the wonderful times and the mannerism of the officers, they are the only men in the world who know how to treat a lady. Keep it up.
Rate this site: Excellent
Saturday 08/18/2001 1:31:56pm
Name: Fahad
E-Mail: Doctorisin238@hotmail.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location: USA, VA
Comments: ur site is actually very strange, u express that ..blah blah..Well why dont u try telling ur pilots that the ...yada yada yada.....blah blah blah....Our airforce is best...blah blah .....blankety blank...etc etc.....your bengali friends...blankety blank...yada yada.....
Rate this site: Excellent
Sunday 08/12/2001 7:50:55pm
Name: Suzanne Perkowsy (Suares)
E-Mail: suzanne.perkowsky@kolumbus.fi
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Search Engine
Location: Finland
Comments: Thank you for this great site. I would love to know if there is a more detailed site about particular wars I would love to read about my dad, Air Com. AIK Suares
Rate this site: Excellent
Sunday 08/12/2001 6:57:53am
Name: Saad Sulaiman
E-Mail: icesaadi@hotmail.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location: PAKISTAN
Comments: dear Jagan,
Nice site about airforce..as a pakistani i would say that site has really ample of information... good keep in up!

and now for the indian who think that IAF is better! so people out there who think that IAF is much better,just go and check yr flying hours u wont even have 2000 flyinghours accidental free ..here in pakistan we have two.we have really tough training here... i am not hurting you or some another....i am a fair person...like i know that we lost in 71! beaten up by east pakistan ..but what about 65! that we won! we were the best at that time....

hope your airforce does well ! and ours two!

"When We are in air the skies are clear"... pakistan airfoce

"First to Fly in ,Last to Fly out" PAKISTAN AIRFORCE!

A SYMBOL OF PRIDE FOR THE NATION!
Rate this site: Excellent
Friday 08/10/2001 12:35:48am
Name: sriram
E-Mail: sriramrulz@hotmail.com
Homepage Title: StarCraft Epic
Homepage URL: http://members.fortunecity.com/sriram2000
Referred By: Search Engine
Location: Singapore
Comments: Interesting site.
Rate this site: Good
Friday 07/27/2001 7:16:57pm
Name: Anuj Sharma
E-Mail: Mail_anujsharma@indiatimes.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location: New Delhi
Comments: Great Site Really Cool,Tells the True Fact the Way
Rate this site: Excellent
Saturday 07/21/2001 6:58:41am
Name: Pinak Ghose
E-Mail:
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Comments: I feel it portrays the airforce very well.
Rate this site: Excellent
Sunday 07/08/2001 5:58:02am
Name: Chiranjeevi Setty Balija
E-Mail: sjeevi@yahoo.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
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Location: USA
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Rate this site: Excellent
Saturday 07/07/2001 10:47:36am
Name: the sassy1ntn
E-Mail: the sassy1ntn
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Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location:
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Rate this site: Excellent
Monday 06/25/2001 4:42:45pm
Name: prakash
E-Mail: prakassh@sify.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Search Engine
Location: Country with great air force
Comments: This is a great site with good info about our air force. Good job

Jai Hind
Rate this site: Excellent
Sunday 06/10/2001 1:33:38pm
Name: AN OBEDIANT SOLDIER OF IAF
E-Mail:
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Friend
Location:
Comments: GOOD SITE.
Rate this site: OK
Thursday 05/31/2001 7:52:05am
Name: Sudhir Kalia
E-Mail: sudhirkalia2002@yahoo.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location: CANADA, toronto
Comments: Today i am fourty four years old. I spend my twenty two years of life, with my father who is in the best forces of the world (Indian Air Force). Indian air force is huge joint family. The relations that my father had since he had join the air force are still there yet to help him out. We have always taught that there is no difference in the personal life and a working life. My father joined Air force as a Air man along with his more than brotherly friend now retired as a wing commander.I don't have words in my mouth to make any comments about IAF. As my opinion, this site is very educational and knowledgeable to the future which is not too far....
Rate this site: Excellent
Wednesday 05/30/2001 9:28:12pm
Name: saurabh srivastava
E-Mail: saurabhcoolestdude@yahoo.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
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Rate this site: Excellent
Friday 05/18/2001 10:22:19pm
Name: James Newton
E-Mail: budabelly56@yahoo.com
Homepage Title: Zelda
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Search Engine
Location: Athol Ma, USA
Comments: exelent site I like to look at all different sites about military and i found this one. good job
Rate this site: Excellent
Tuesday 05/15/2001 6:27:52pm
Name: Muhammad Zeeshan Farrukh
E-Mail: zeeshanpakistan@bismilah.every1.net
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Search Engine
Location: Dhaka , Bangladesh (Migrated from Pak)
Comments: India and Bangladesh are the greatest friends in the subcontinent. I hope we forget the misunderstanding we have had in the recent border clash and get along well.

Joi Bangla, Joi India
Rate this site: Excellent
Sunday 05/13/2001 7:14:28pm
Name: Sahil Warsi
E-Mail: bmxattitude@go.com
Homepage Title: Aero Unlimited
Homepage URL: http://flyhigh.hothere.com
Referred By: Search Engine
Location: India
Comments: Nice site,great pics,
your site is awesome.
Rate this site: Fair
Friday 05/04/2001 7:04:33pm
Name: Unmesh Misra
E-Mail: umisra@sidbi.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location: Lucknow
Comments: I am an avid reader of military history of different countries around the world.I have read a lot about the Luftwaffe, RAF, USAAF, etc. The quality exhibited and the grit & determination displayed by the IAF pilots if not unparalleled has few equals. 3 cheers to IAF and my country.
Rate this site: Excellent
Saturday 04/28/2001 9:16:27pm
Name: Abhishek Shukla
E-Mail: oh_abhi@usa.net
Homepage Title: leozden.tripod.com
Homepage URL: http://leozden.tripod.com
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location: college
Comments: nice site, needs upgradation
Rate this site: Fair
Friday 04/27/2001 2:21:35pm
Name: HFAS;LJDHF
E-Mail: A;SLKDHFAS;LDHF@USA.NET
Homepage Title: S;LKFDJ
Homepage URL: http://S;LDKJF
Referred By: Search Engine
Location: S;LKFDJ
Comments: INDIAN ARMY IS GREAT!! HINDUSTAN IS GREAT. LETS ALL LIVE IN PEACE.
Rate this site: Excellent
Wednesday 04/25/2001 1:57:07am
Name: Vikram Khosla
E-Mail: mail@vikramkhosla.com
Homepage Title: Royal Group, Inc
Homepage URL: http://www.vikramkhosla.com
Referred By: Search Engine
Location: Los Angeles
Comments: Great Job. Keep it up...
Rate this site: Excellent
Wednesday 04/04/2001 2:47:50am
Name: Naveed Riaz
E-Mail: drapi@hotmail.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
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Comments: A major effort but tilted to the Indian perspective naturally. In the '65 war it must be realised that the IAF, much larger, could not achieve much and after the first few days would hardly engage the PAF. (Keelor told the PAF's Wg Cdr Hashmi years later in England that the IAF had to over-rate its achievements or lose morale entirely).Also that the MiG 21's were all destroyed on the ground. In '71, the PAF was held back waiting for the the "big offensive" as the generals put it, and over 60 percent of its strength, particularly the Mirages, never saw combat. As the PAF waited, Dacca fell....and it was all over.
Rate this site: Good
Monday 04/02/2001 1:59:00pm
Name: Muhammad Zeeshan Farrukh
E-Mail: zeeshanpakistan@bismilah.every1.net
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Search Engine
Location: Karachi,Pakistan
Comments: Mr.Vijayant Kumar,Pakistan Airforce is one of the best airforces in the world. Allah-o-akbar
Pakistan zinda baad
Rate this site: Poor
Monday 04/02/2001 1:22:46am
Name: jagan
E-Mail: jaganreddy@yahoo
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
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Location:
Comments: Thanks a lot for your efforts.
I love India.
Rate this site: Excellent
Wednesday 03/28/2001 3:05:15am
Name: Thomas W. Seifert
E-Mail: tomseifert@12move.de
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location: Germany
Comments:
Always check six,
Tom
Rate this site: Excellent
Monday 03/26/2001 10:05:06pm
Name: vijayant kumar
E-Mail: greatcandy25@yahoo.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Search Engine
Location: noida(near new delhi)
Comments: first of all three cheers for your work and for bringing the pakistanis in notice of the might of the indian air force.
me and my cousins were always fascinated by indian air force.eventually one of my cousin has become a flying officer in the indian air force in the helicopter wing posted at the silchar air base in assam.one of my cousin is a millitary engg.
i have always been and will be ever provoked to join the armed forces and to serve my dear mother nation.
three cheers again to your wonderful work and keep the moral high.
GOOD PICTURE GALLERY
Rate this site: Excellent
Tuesday 03/13/2001 5:39:58am
Name: Tim Elmhirst
E-Mail: t.elmhirst@btinternet.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
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Location:
Comments: Signing as nephew of Sir Thomas Elmhirst
Rate this site: Excellent
Thursday 03/08/2001 6:58:54pm
Name: Richard. W
E-Mail:
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Homepage URL: http://
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Location: Canada?
Comments: Nice.
Rate this site: Good
Wednesday 03/07/2001 1:33:42am
Name: James Garrett
E-Mail: jagarrett_@excite.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location: Toronto (Canada)
Comments: Wonderful site. Keep up the good work.
Rate this site: Excellent
Tuesday 02/27/2001 3:50:49am
Name: Anita Barsode
E-Mail: anita.barsode@usa.alcatel.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location: usa
Comments: thank you for this wonderful site...
my brother is a sqn.ldr (vv dedgaonkar) at the lohegaon(pune) base.
i have been always moved by the commitment i see !!

take care
Rate this site: Excellent
Thursday 02/15/2001 3:47:12am
Name: Miss Pakistan
E-Mail: I have no guts to put my email
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Search Engine
Location: Where do you think????
Comments: This is the sh**test webpage i've ever visited. Honestly, if you indians think you can mark the world with ....YADA YADA YADA...BLAH BLAH BLAH...
Rate this site: Poor
Friday 02/09/2001 0:16:20am
Name: Kunal A. Gandhi
E-Mail: kunal_gandhi2001@yahoo.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Friend
Location: India
Comments: The site excellent. This is useful for me because, our sir are announce an seminar on Indian Air Force. So i get all information about IAF from this site. SO SPECIAL THANX FOR THIS SITE, FOR BEING HELP ME.
Rate this site: Excellent
Monday 02/05/2001 10:45:47pm
Name: Don Lazarus
E-Mail: donita@md5.vsnl.net.in
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: E-Mail
Location:
Comments: There are some facts on your site which are innaccurate. If you would like to get them corrected please e-mail me and donita1@vsnl.com.
Rate this site: Good
Monday 02/05/2001 8:54:21pm
Name: tapan
E-Mail: tapansharma99@hotmail.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
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Location: meerut
Comments: demotype!sufi site-congrats.
Rate this site: Excellent
Thursday 01/18/2001 11:20:12pm
Name: Yaeshar Erakat Ahmad
E-Mail: youth_hezbollah@yahoo.com
Homepage Title: All Muslim Associate
Homepage URL: http://www.muslimyouths.com
Referred By: Search Engine
Location:
Comments: Nice site with much information.
I am checking on airforces of every country. IAF was quite interesting but i am not impressed. I am an Iraqi and our air forces are much better. But still our country`s relation are improving and we should also make a defence pact. But..Mind-you..You Indians should cut off all relations with Israel, and also give kashmir freedom. Your neigbour pakistan`s air force is quite impressive. It can be rated as one of the best in the world. I was astonished by their high class equipment and high techno-air crafts.
any way your work on this site was first grade. keep it up.
Rate this site: Excellent
Thursday 01/18/2001 5:37:38pm
Name: Errol Monteiro
E-Mail: monteiroerrol@hotmail.com
Homepage Title: IAF 1971 war
Homepage URL: http://
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Location:
Comments: This was one of the swiftest wars the world has seen!
I always admired the IAF.
Pakistan should be whiped the same way, yet again!
Keep it up!!!!
Rate this site: Excellent
Wednesday 01/17/2001 8:13:07pm
Name: Ammar Saeed
E-Mail: Ammar-bv@yahoo.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
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Location:
Comments: You Indians are proud of the equipment your airforce has but hardly do I hear about the professional excellence of your pilots, probably they are over confident that that can do away with Pakistan with Su-30s, Mig-29s and Mirage-2000s. I think you people are grossly mistaken. The diffrence between India and Pakistan is that you showoff a lotand often exagerrate the quality of your aircraft, missiles and other weopons while PAkistan keeps its weopons secret and only releases them when provoked by India. As you can now hear frequently that Pakistans nuclear programme as well as its missiles are far superioir to that of the Indians.Similarly the PAF does not showoff but simply surprises your airforce when it comes to actual combat. Thats what we call guts when one fights with a powerful enemy. Weve got the courage and weopons too which are not shown simply because those filthy Americans are always in for sanctions on us.
Rate this site: Good
Tuesday 01/16/2001 3:30:18am
Name: Ram
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Location: India
Comments: I think this site shows our blind approch towards peace. I think Pak can distory India....Unlike some of our ppl think its not possibe. Let me give u a clue, Pak is about to test Cruse Missile(source http://www.pakistanidefence.com)in March which cannot be dectected on radar & we r not even close that technology, we still r unable to improve our missile guidence system, which gives error of 7-10%. I think We Indians should take some very serious steps to safe gaurd our country. Its not wise to concider enemy weak.
Rate this site: Fair
Sunday 01/14/2001 6:03:48am
Name: Ashish Divay
E-Mail: a_divay@yahoo.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Search Engine
Location: Secunderabad
Comments: Sir i must say wow this site relly kick's ass !
its good and cool design will bring more teen's of my age just let then know that it is there ! something they should be proud of ,something they can see and say wow this site is of my countries great airforce !
let's make r country great !
Ashish Divay
s/o Col.A.V. Divay
12 mech inf (Retd)
Indian Army !
Rate this site: Excellent
Sunday 01/14/2001 4:04:22am
Name: Mohammad Baig
E-Mail: 786mbaig@freenetname.co.uk
Homepage Title: M A Baig's Pak Page
Homepage URL: http://www.mabaig.co.uk
Referred By: Search Engine
Location: UK
Comments:  Jagan, thanks for your notes to my comments left in your visitors book. As an advocate of the PAF, I totally understand how YOU feel about the IAF. I am not an antagonist, I just like to exchange of factual views without sentiments of nationalism. I have been to a few IAF related sites and did not find them to be worth a return trip but your site is an exceptional one. And the fact that it gives a tiny insight into the opposition (PAF) as well, proves that it is not all nationalism.


#1  However I am disappointed with your comments about Chuck Yeager. Chuck is respected world over for his blunt views, and with a little more research, you will find that he was in Pakistan NOT as an advisor to the PAF at the time. In 1965, when PAF had nothing but the American hardware, this claim would have stuck. But in 1971, with Chinese MiGs and French Mirages being the PAF backbone, why would they seek his advice on anything. Besides, he was busy running around picking up pieces of SU-7s and MiGs, serializing and cataloguing them for eventual analysis in the USA.

#2  Secondly, you vehemently dismiss the fact that PAF made available its fleet for inspection soon after the 1971 war. This is common knowledge – one recorded example is in the most respected of the British Aviation Journals, the Air International in its May 1972 issue with a feature length article ‘Post mortem of an air war’. The coverage includes a photo of the entire Mirage force- especially lined up for the author - and a table of every aircraft shot down by the PAF with its minute details, such as gun camera photo, wreckage photo, Indian admittance etc. The author, a British writer, requested open access to official records of both air arms. PAF obliged whereas the IAF declined.

#3  As for 1965, you admit but rather grudgingly, saying that the claimed display was a year after the war – insinuating that PAF had time to make up for the losses. Jagan, with the American Embargo in force immediately after the war, where could Pakistan have gotten the F-86 , F-104 and B-57 to make up any losses? None of the friendly countries - China, Iran, Indonesia or the Arabs had these aircraft.

I would like to exchange views on this and related issues every once in a while if it is ok with you. Perhaps you would like to visit my site some time (www.mabaig.co.uk\paf)


Jagan's Note: Hello Baig, I appreciate your comments, and due to the your points being put on the record, I will try and  clarify the same here. but after this, lets move the discussion to mail, that would be better as the guestbook is for comments not for forum discussion. I am available at jagan@altavista.net where we can continue this, but as you have already stated some facts on record, I would however clarify the points that you have raised.


#1 Like it or not, Chuck yeager mentions in his bio that he was sent to Pakistan on special assignment, One of his first tasks was to integrate the American Sidewinder with the Chinese F-6 fighter. So Chuck Yeager was there on official assignment.


#2 Chuck Yeager's autobio is not historical facts. His mentions casually "104 Russian made MiGs and Sukhois were downed" ignoring the fact the bulk of the IAF's force also included the Hunters, the Gnats the Maruts, the Canberras etc. As per recently released official Indian Figures, Russian MiGs and Sukhoi losses were 27 out of a total of 75. Why, even the Pakistani figures mentioned in John Fricker's article does not mention "104" Claims for Indian Aircraft downed in Pakistani territory, so where can exactly did Yeager  pick up pieces and catalogue remains of "104" shot down aircraft from Pakistani territory in his helicopter..? So I have to be extremely sceptical about Chuck Yeager's version of the 1971 War. Supported by facts and figures, I would believe it. but not thru blanket statements.


#3 The PAF display of inventory after the 71 war was to the best of my knowledge limited only to the Mirage IIIs and the Starfighters. not to the F-6s, the Sabres or the B-57s. The Mirage III incidents were discussed very much in detail, with the PAF displaying 23 aircraft saying it lost none, and France later on saying that they delivered 28 Mirages before the war and not 24 (as PAF Claims), My Co Webmaster at Bharat-rakshak also provided  Serial numbers of atleast 26 Mirages delivered to PAF as taken from a french source. Now who would you want me to believe? Pakistan? or France? which is a neutral party in the war. If PAF displayed 23 Mirages,then I can safely take it that two of them were lost in combat. but I wont jump to conclusions without hard evidence. It is also common knowledge amont PAF Circles that Jordan did transfer F-5s (as per the PAFMuseum site) and F-104s to Pakistan during the conflict. Now how shall we account for any losses (if any) in these  transfers? surely Jordan never acknowledged the transfer (Even though the PAF did). The point I am trying to make is that the PAF lost some 40+ aircraft to the IAF's 70+ , whatever may be the causes, so its not the one sided victory that many books propagate.


#4 After the 65 war, Pakistan procured Ex-Luftwaffe 60+ Canadair Cl-13B F-86s via Iran. This is a common fact and it was some of the Orenda-Powered Sabres that fought the war from the East Pak PAF Wing and later went on to the Bangladesh Air Force. Indonesia also has revealed transferring aircraft after the 65 War (But these were of the Russian origin)  I would however reconsider my opinion if you can give me more detiails of this verification, other than John Fricker (His being the Official PAF Historian would defenitely have been the reason the IAF refused access to its records for the said article "Post Mortem of an Air War") , any other source.


#5 Lastly aren't we judging the effectiveness of the airforces on wrong parameters? We seem to deduce which airforce did better more on total aircraft losses than fulfilment of combat objectives? For example in 1971, If comparing just Air to Air Combat Kills, We dont have much to go on, 18 Aircombat victories for the PAF versus 10 Aircombat victories for the IAF, if ground kills are considered, the PAF has just two against the IAF's Ten +, almost always we seem to club AA fire kills in total tallies and decide that a particular aicforce did better. If you ask me , the final decision on which airforce did better should rest on which airforce did the most to change the course of war on the ground and suceeded. In 1965, The PAF definitly made a much larger impact. But in 1971, the IAF suceeded better



#6 For more indepth analysis of IAF losses (Official) and PAF Losses (Official) I would suggest you visit http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/


Its nice to discuss these issues in length, but from now on lets move it to email. Thanks.

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Comments: I was looking this site in order to do my final paper on Pakistan Air Force Vs Indian Air Force, so i can find some info. But this site.... I think it is base on false information. IAF is rated one of the poorly trained airforces in world not to forget with worse safty record. Let me give you some real information as of year 2000 the kill ratio beetween Pakistani Air force & Indian Air Force was 1:5 Indians are loosing 5 panes in combet against 1 Paki plane. It should be noted that up till year 1980 that ratio was 1:4. So things are getting really bad every year for them. This web site is based on disinformation. Web master of this site can check these figures in Oct 2000 issue of American defence Journal
and Defence fact sheet (UK) for year 1997. If you really love ur country stress on the traning of your piolets rather than buying new planes, which none of IAF piolets have any clue how to fly. I know that Indian people keep blind eyes when it comes to national pride they dont believe in facts & figures the only thing that matters to them is there false national pride.....

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It really interests me to see the source of the claim for the 1:5 "Kill Ratio" of the PAF over the IAF. For overall losses, the PAF lost 51 aircraft (shotdown/accidents/dest on ground/captured)  to the IAF's 75
aircraft
(shotdown/accidents/dest on ground). As far as Air to Air Combat is concerned, the PAF Admits 10 aircraft lost in AA combat to the IAF's 18 lost AA Combat.....the PAF lost 10+aircraft on the ground to the IAF;s 2...hardly grounds to claim "1:5".. Now these are based on Official PAF Claims with crosschecks on timings/locations and types. So I have to disagree with you on the claim of disinformation. You might want to check up the loss figures at http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/Misc/Losses.html
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Comments: This COULD be a very good site if it was free of nationalism. Indian resources such as this site have naturally refuted and denied PAF air superiority over the FIVE times larger IAF in the 65 and 71 wars. Indian and Pakistani claims and counter claims are pointless on this subject in the face of neutral and qualified international opinion, which has now become aviation history. Check out autobiography of Gen. Chuck Yeager’s (yes, the one who broke the sound barrier), who ‘refereed’ the 1971 war and flew up and down the region collecting wreckage of IAF aircraft shot down by the PAF. Here is what he says, “the Pakistanis scored a three-to-one kill ratio knocking out 102 Indian jets and losing 34 of their own. I am certain about the figures because I went out several times a day in a chopper and counted the wrecks below. I counted wrecks, documented them by serial numbers, identified the components such as engines and rocket pods” Now he is not exactly a Pakistani, is he?

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No, hes not a Pakistani, but not exactly a neutral source either! he sure was the American advisor to the PAF during the  71 war, So it would not be in his interest to say the PAF did badly . He also goes on to write that his USAF aircraft at rawalpindi was destroyed by the IAF..failing to mention why the PAF had not protected it...a backhanded compliment to the IAF.


Check out the following world reputed aviation journals.

USA – Aviation week & space technology – December 1968 issue.
“For the PAF, the 1965 war was as climatic as the Israeli

Also checkout the following
Air Action (France) December 1988 and January 1989
Flugzeug (Germany) February (2) 1989

In addition to this, PAF put on show for inspection, its entire fleets after BOTH of the wars in presence of world dignitaries and aviation community. The five times bigger IAF should have annihilated the tiny PAF to prevent such displays!!!!!!
Now these are FACTS - what rides on a wave of nationalism is just fiction.

Jagan's Note:
I had been looking for some neutral sources that the PAF displayed its fleet after both the wars. I am absolutely sure nothing of the sort happened after the 1971 War, I dont know about the 1965 War, but am yet to read about it. Fact of the matter is nothing of the sort happened within a month or maybe even two months of the
end of the war, the supposed display took place nearly an year after the 65 War, you can cross check on the dates.  Now the point is not to belittle the PAF's capablities which I believe are very good and its  a well trained force.  But to believe the contrary about its opponents too smacks of nationalism riding on fiction.
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